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		<title>Comment on The Fallout of the &#8216;Deadly Viper&#8217; Saga by chris heuertz</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris heuertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, it would have been better for Mike Foster and Jud Wilhite if they had been objectified in the Deadly Viper controversy, but it appears they were mistakenly made the subject of the discussion.

If I understand all this correctly (and for the record, I am an ancillary vested person in this story, click here to read my own post re: all this), they touched a very sensitive nerve that (not only) the Asian American community has experienced in a “white captivity” culture—one that they have been grappling to put words to.

The tragedy is that rather than making the subject a conversation around cultivating sensitivity to humanizing all people regardless of race, culture or ethnicity, the tone and the target of these wounds were aimed at two guys who were actually contributing to a conversation towards integrity, character and the affirmation of human dignity for all persons.

I am a huge fan of Prof Rah and think his message needs to get out further to provoke a more grounded sense of our Christian identity as it relates to the shifting (actually, shifted) demographic in the mosaic of who actually makes up our Christian majority. But I am also a huge fan of what the Deadly Viper project was advocating for, not only in its content, but how the message of integrity, character and grace was embodied in the lives of Mike and Jud. It is sad how two important messages collided and the fallout that has been an unintended consequence of this collision.

Let’s hope that everyone who made hurtful or accusatory statements about Mike and Jud, reconsider the content and tone of those unfair allegations. Much of the content I’ve read in the comment sections on blogs regarding all this has been unhelpful assumptions. These assumptions have only aggravated a sensitive conversation that needs to be played out. However, this important conversation should be held around more harmful eruptions of cultural insensitivity (i.e. the “Rickshaw Rally”) that somehow are left immune to the controversy Deadly Vipers unintentionally invited.

Let’s also remember that Mike and Jud should not be the targets of this dialogue. If people want to pick fights here, there are plenty of other legitimate instances of racial insensitivity that are more important and appropriate instances that can be focused on.

A positive outcome from all this would be an overwhelming level of support for Mike and Jud as the move away from the packaging of Deadly Vipers to their People of a Second Chance movement. A platform they have created for others that now needs to be extended to them, especially by those who have been so accusatory in the ways they’ve dismantled an important voice of renewal for our shared humanity.

The essence of how I hope all this comes across speaks to the crucial need to humanize all people—the Asian American community and Mike and Jud. I think there’s a way that Prof Rah’s (and other’s) concerns can be, and need to be validated, but not at the expense of Mike and Jud—otherwise, the same thing that Deadly Vipers has been accused of will be done to them by those who are most concerned.

Overall, I believe this has been a sad eruption of anger around an important issue that seems to have been misdirected at two guys who have given themselves to a much-needed message of hope. I think resistance to “white captivity,” or the imposition of any dominant consciousness of our Christian expression needs to be fought against, but not at the expense of the reputation and content of men whose message resonates with this struggle from a different perspective.

*If you’d like to discuss this or comment on these thoughts please leave them here (http://www.chrisheuertz.com/post/257436160/further-reflections-on-the-deadly-viper-controvery)*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, it would have been better for Mike Foster and Jud Wilhite if they had been objectified in the Deadly Viper controversy, but it appears they were mistakenly made the subject of the discussion.</p>
<p>If I understand all this correctly (and for the record, I am an ancillary vested person in this story, click here to read my own post re: all this), they touched a very sensitive nerve that (not only) the Asian American community has experienced in a “white captivity” culture—one that they have been grappling to put words to.</p>
<p>The tragedy is that rather than making the subject a conversation around cultivating sensitivity to humanizing all people regardless of race, culture or ethnicity, the tone and the target of these wounds were aimed at two guys who were actually contributing to a conversation towards integrity, character and the affirmation of human dignity for all persons.</p>
<p>I am a huge fan of Prof Rah and think his message needs to get out further to provoke a more grounded sense of our Christian identity as it relates to the shifting (actually, shifted) demographic in the mosaic of who actually makes up our Christian majority. But I am also a huge fan of what the Deadly Viper project was advocating for, not only in its content, but how the message of integrity, character and grace was embodied in the lives of Mike and Jud. It is sad how two important messages collided and the fallout that has been an unintended consequence of this collision.</p>
<p>Let’s hope that everyone who made hurtful or accusatory statements about Mike and Jud, reconsider the content and tone of those unfair allegations. Much of the content I’ve read in the comment sections on blogs regarding all this has been unhelpful assumptions. These assumptions have only aggravated a sensitive conversation that needs to be played out. However, this important conversation should be held around more harmful eruptions of cultural insensitivity (i.e. the “Rickshaw Rally”) that somehow are left immune to the controversy Deadly Vipers unintentionally invited.</p>
<p>Let’s also remember that Mike and Jud should not be the targets of this dialogue. If people want to pick fights here, there are plenty of other legitimate instances of racial insensitivity that are more important and appropriate instances that can be focused on.</p>
<p>A positive outcome from all this would be an overwhelming level of support for Mike and Jud as the move away from the packaging of Deadly Vipers to their People of a Second Chance movement. A platform they have created for others that now needs to be extended to them, especially by those who have been so accusatory in the ways they’ve dismantled an important voice of renewal for our shared humanity.</p>
<p>The essence of how I hope all this comes across speaks to the crucial need to humanize all people—the Asian American community and Mike and Jud. I think there’s a way that Prof Rah’s (and other’s) concerns can be, and need to be validated, but not at the expense of Mike and Jud—otherwise, the same thing that Deadly Vipers has been accused of will be done to them by those who are most concerned.</p>
<p>Overall, I believe this has been a sad eruption of anger around an important issue that seems to have been misdirected at two guys who have given themselves to a much-needed message of hope. I think resistance to “white captivity,” or the imposition of any dominant consciousness of our Christian expression needs to be fought against, but not at the expense of the reputation and content of men whose message resonates with this struggle from a different perspective.</p>
<p>*If you’d like to discuss this or comment on these thoughts please leave them here (<a href="http://www.chrisheuertz.com/post/257436160/further-reflections-on-the-deadly-viper-controvery)" rel="nofollow">http://www.chrisheuertz.com/post/257436160/further-reflections-on-the-deadly-viper-controvery)</a>*</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fallout of the &#8216;Deadly Viper&#8217; Saga by Some good news, interesting links and updates &#171; Prof. Rah&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some good news, interesting links and updates &#171; Prof. Rah&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as some new discussions in a similar vein).  Some interesting insights from Bo Lim, Rudy C,  and Ed G.  I hope folks will move beyond the immediate topic to engage in a larger discussion on race, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as some new discussions in a similar vein).  Some interesting insights from Bo Lim, Rudy C,  and Ed G.  I hope folks will move beyond the immediate topic to engage in a larger discussion on race, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sarah Palin, Newsweek, and Sexism by Denise Barreto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Barreto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article Ed.

I find the Daily Beast to be over-the-top but with a tinge of truthful observation.

Thanks for posting it. It is definitely a lightening rod but a worthy read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article Ed.</p>
<p>I find the Daily Beast to be over-the-top but with a tinge of truthful observation.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting it. It is definitely a lightening rod but a worthy read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fallout of the &#8216;Deadly Viper&#8217; Saga by inodayBon</title>
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		<dc:creator>inodayBon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phat post, great looking website, added it to my favorites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phat post, great looking website, added it to my favorites.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deadly Assumptions by Finding Hope in the Midst of Deadly Vipers (1) &#171; signs of life</title>
		<link>http://edwardg.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/deadly-assumptions/#comment-5005</link>
		<dc:creator>Finding Hope in the Midst of Deadly Vipers (1) &#171; signs of life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] viper&#8217;s blog site (find Soong Chan&#8217;s comment about 8 down) or on other blogs like reconcilliationblog or eugenecho or charleslee. There is incredible dialogue (with the requisite share of vulgarity, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] viper&#8217;s blog site (find Soong Chan&#8217;s comment about 8 down) or on other blogs like reconcilliationblog or eugenecho or charleslee. There is incredible dialogue (with the requisite share of vulgarity, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rob Bell: We Have It Upside Down by Shane Hankinson</title>
		<link>http://edwardg.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/rob-bell-we-have-it-upside-down/#comment-5004</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Hankinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Christ comes as King of Kings and Lord of Lords and reigns during the age of ages and assisted by his nation of priests, conquers all his enemies the only way Jesus conquers enemies, then every knee will bow (willingly) and every tongue will confess (swear allegiance) and God will be all in all. The reconciliation of all things. The question is do Christians want this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Christ comes as King of Kings and Lord of Lords and reigns during the age of ages and assisted by his nation of priests, conquers all his enemies the only way Jesus conquers enemies, then every knee will bow (willingly) and every tongue will confess (swear allegiance) and God will be all in all. The reconciliation of all things. The question is do Christians want this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sarah Palin, Newsweek, and Sexism by prophetik soul</title>
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		<dc:creator>prophetik soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eliseanne, I know this is a late response but that&#039;s to the link to your commentary on tokenism. It made me realize that I should have used the word &#039;tokenism&#039; when referring to palin instead of veiled sexuality. The contrast you make between her and clinton makes a lot of sense. The extreme contrast between the two is also how a lot of men see them. I found myself reexaming my stereotypes but ultimately realizing that he candidate uses that same stereotype as a strength with certain demographics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliseanne, I know this is a late response but that&#8217;s to the link to your commentary on tokenism. It made me realize that I should have used the word &#8216;tokenism&#8217; when referring to palin instead of veiled sexuality. The contrast you make between her and clinton makes a lot of sense. The extreme contrast between the two is also how a lot of men see them. I found myself reexaming my stereotypes but ultimately realizing that he candidate uses that same stereotype as a strength with certain demographics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Feeling Thankful and Uncomfortable by Edward Gilbreath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Gilbreath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melody,

Wow, this is a blast from the past. I forgot all about this post. Thanks for giving me a reason to go back and re-read that Yancey column. 

This is a complicated topic, isn&#039;t it? And like you suggest, each situation is unique. I think it&#039;s just important to keep the challenge before ourselves. And perhaps there are seasons when we need to feel a little more comfortable in some areas while God is stretching us and making us stronger in others.

Thank you for sharing a bit of your story and for being a part of the conversation here.

Peace,
Ed G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melody,</p>
<p>Wow, this is a blast from the past. I forgot all about this post. Thanks for giving me a reason to go back and re-read that Yancey column. </p>
<p>This is a complicated topic, isn&#8217;t it? And like you suggest, each situation is unique. I think it&#8217;s just important to keep the challenge before ourselves. And perhaps there are seasons when we need to feel a little more comfortable in some areas while God is stretching us and making us stronger in others.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing a bit of your story and for being a part of the conversation here.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Ed G.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sarah Palin, Newsweek, and Sexism by Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ditto Gina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ditto Gina.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sarah Palin, Newsweek, and Sexism by Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree Rich.  About the only thing I agreed with in the article is that Sarah is putting herself in the public eye and trying to sell books.  (and neither in and of themselves is bad)

It just seemed like all the stuff I&#039;ve heard about her regurgitated and exaggerated.  I found the whole thing to be mocking and basically calling Palin stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree Rich.  About the only thing I agreed with in the article is that Sarah is putting herself in the public eye and trying to sell books.  (and neither in and of themselves is bad)</p>
<p>It just seemed like all the stuff I&#8217;ve heard about her regurgitated and exaggerated.  I found the whole thing to be mocking and basically calling Palin stupid.</p>
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